For the love of Sasuke and Naruto philosophy, him, represents, character, naturally

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Sasuke and Naruto the two main characters of Naruto have a lot of love and hate going on about them.  There are I hope some like me who like some things about the character and hate some things about the same character.  

Sasuke represents a typical hero of a comic book, dark cool, and fighting against an unjust that happened to him, something that shaped his philosophy.  He is almost like a Marvel comic hero ,  having a dark past, naturally talented, exponentially becoming stronger, until he is strong enough to become a super hero,(dodge bombs, see through stuff- super man any body ).  Some one who will win against all odds.  Some of us love that and root for him.  But at the same time I sometimes hate the fact that there is no struggle.  Come on , fighting against all odds, struggling in the drama of it and winning, is satisfying fiction.  A few slick moves and an undefeatable eye does not satisfy that appetite.   The cynical side of us does not always accept smooth victory.  More over the story is called Naruto, so why does Sasuke get to be the hero?

And then there is Naruto.  He reminds me of  part of me that I would like to deny having. He is a loud mouth goof ball, who is sometimes too thick headed to notice things around him. Some one who is ambitious, but practical enough to realize that it all starts with one step at a time.  Focuses all his strength to get throu’ the present jutsu, usually too engrossed to see the big picture and so ends up listening to explanations, and seeming like a idiot . Cribs about the fact that he has to work twice as hard, and still be second to the class genius. And even after working hard,  ends up goofing. (man I hate this about naruto as much as I hate this about my self.)  Naruto to me represents who I am rather than who I wish I was.  Naruto sometimes succeeds or is given a second chance.  And when he gets through his struggle, he finds himself shoulder to shoulder with the class genius. That is satisfying fiction.

During their first mission we see the start of this, Sasuke’s growth is apparently without struggle, yet exciting when he fights Haku, first defeating him in taijutsu, and then developing the Sharingan  during the struggle.  Naruto does not exhibit that kind of style.  He is mostly too thick and loud and full of himself, until his inner Kyubi explodes. I loved that part . But the best part of Naruto is not his fighting or his power, but rather the time when he manages to make Zabuza look at Haku as a person rather than a tool,  and when the whole village finally ends up finding courage.
What ever the characters flaws may be, together they create good fiction, something I love to read any time.


Originally Posted by LylmicSasuke and Naruto the two main characters of Naruto have a lot of love and hate going on about them.  There are I hope some like me who like some things about the character and hate some things about the same character.  

Sasuke represents a typical hero of a comic book, dark cool, and fighting against an unjust that happened to him, something that shaped his philosophy.  He is almost like a Marvel comic hero ,  having a dark past, naturally talented, exponentially becoming stronger, until he is strong enough to become a super hero,(dodge bombs, see through stuff- super man any body ).  Some one who will win against all odds.  Some of us love that and root for him.  But at the same time I sometimes hate the fact that there is no struggle.  Come on , fighting against all odds, struggling in the drama of it and winning, is satisfying fiction.  A few slick moves and an undefeatable eye does not satisfy that appetite.   The cynical side of us does not always accept smooth victory.  More over the story is called Naruto, so why does Sasuke get to be the hero?

And then there is Naruto.  He reminds me of  part of me that I would like to deny having. He is a loud mouth goof ball, who is sometimes too thick headed to notice things around him. Some one who is ambitious, but practical enough to realize that it all starts with one step at a time.  Focuses all his strength to get throu’ the present jutsu, usually too engrossed to see the big picture and so ends up listening to explanations, and seeming like a idiot . Cribs about the fact that he has to work twice as hard, and still be second to the class genius. And even after working hard,  ends up goofing. (man I hate this about naruto as much as I hate this about my self.)  Naruto to me represents who I am rather than who I wish I was.  Naruto sometimes succeeds or is given a second chance.  And when he gets through his struggle, he finds himself shoulder to shoulder with the class genius. That is satisfying fiction.

During their first mission we see the start of this, Sasuke’s growth is apparently without struggle, yet exciting when he fights Haku, first defeating him in taijutsu, and then developing the Sharingan  during the struggle.  Naruto does not exhibit that kind of style.  He is mostly too thick and loud and full of himself, until his inner Kyubi explodes. I loved that part . But the best part of Naruto is not his fighting or his power, but rather the time when he manages to make Zabuza look at Haku as a person rather than a tool,  and when the whole village finally ends up finding courage.
What ever the characters flaws may be, together they create good fiction, something I love to read any time.

Wow, great analysis! I love how you contrasted the genius and hard worker aspects of Naruto and Sasuke that so many seem to overlook. Great comparisons and examples. Overall, a great post. Something the Library has been lacking lately. Thank you! You just made my day...err...night!

Very well said Lylmic.

Well done, at least one in this forum that reads Naruto as a whole experience, and know why this is a great manga.

Im sure Kishimoto wanted with Naruto (character) to think about ourselves with all our flaws and virtues, with Sasuke symbolizing what we would like to be.

=)

Thankyou.  It is just that I have read so many posts of how Naruto is no where near Sauske or how the story is no more good or interesting,  So I sat down thinking as to why we like to crib about our characters.  I cant help it, I do like Naruto, despite my impatience at wanting all the mystries to be solved, and finding out how it all ends.  The characters make it a great read.

That's some EXTREME TRUTH , right there

Hell of an analysis, right on point and a key fact in the greateness that is the naruto series.

Thankyou.  It feels nice to know there are other who think the same way.

Ah... Sasuke reminds me more of Kira from Death Note, but since the manga isn't based around him, and because he doesn't like killing, he is going to succeed.

Although Naruto seems to be a more quot;realquot; person, that is only based on his basic skills. Naruto has ridiculous stamina, and willpower. He actually can keep trying to a near infinite point. Where a normal person would fail, he can keep going.

Since Naruto is so stubborn, stupid, and close-minded, his version of reality- which is very inspiring and idealistic, especially after he shows you his power- can permeate the thoughts of other people.

Ironically, from the mouth of an irrational idiot, Naruto teaches others moral lessons that could improve the shinobi nations.

What a hilarious story this is developing into. I still prefer Naruto's proud failure motif to Sasuke's perfect vengence motif.


Originally Posted by Protean Stratagem
Although Naruto seems to be a more quot;realquot; person, that is only based on his basic skills. Naruto has ridiculous stamina, and willpower. He actually can keep trying to a near infinite point. Where a normal person would fail, he can keep going.

Since Naruto is so stubborn, stupid, and close-minded, his version of reality- which is very inspiring and idealistic, especially after he shows you his power- can permeate the thoughts of other people.

Ironically, from the mouth of an irrational idiot, Naruto teaches others moral lessons that could improve the shinobi nations.

What a hilarious story this is developing into. I still prefer Naruto's proud failure motif to Sasuke's perfect vengence motif.After reading your post I feel bad that my post was a bit superficial.  While I agree with you that an irrational fool teaches moral lessons that could improve the shinobi nations, I find it a little strange that the one to change the shinobi attitude towards war is an idiotic soldier who is less experienced compared to others in this comic book.  And the one who hates to be treated like a super powerful tool in the shinobi warfare, would readily accept the help of the demon within to become exactly that.  
While I think that Naruto is thick headed, I don’t quite see him as close minded, rather I find him having a very persistent  single tracked mind, that needs a bit of leveraged  to change tracks.
His wish to get sauske back may seem like he refuses to accept sauske’s point of view. To me however  it seems more as if sauske’s ideals of revenge has not even crossed Naruto’s mind, perhaps because he does not know Sauske’s story or turmoil, except for the few bits Sasuke manages to slip here and there.


Originally Posted by LordTyrano™Well done, at least one in this forum that reads Naruto as a whole experience, and know why this is a great manga.

Im sure Kishimoto wanted with Naruto (character) to think about ourselves with all our flaws and virtues, with Sasuke symbolizing what we would like to be.

=)

Thankyou,  I felt that perhaps Kishimoto was bringing out two contrasting characters, riding the same wave, while the identification we make with them is what makes it a great manga for us -something I am not so sure Kishimoto set out to achieve.

Nice to have an intelligent new poster here.

Good job and reps.

Oh, it is really nice reading a post from someone who takes the characters for who they are and sees good and bad in what the two characters can bring to the story. It would not be the same without either of them.Originally Posted by Protean StratagemIronically, from the mouth of an irrational idiot, Naruto teaches others moral lessons that could improve the shinobi nations.

Heh, I also enjoyed that aspect of the story. Although it does seem to be a regular occurance in any series where the protagonist is seen as stupid but manages to make people view life and the occurances in it in a different way through contact with them.