Kakashi and Yamato Prevented the Demon Fox from overpowering Naruto's will when Naruto get caught by Kakuzu. Time and again, demon fox takes over Naruto's consciousness in dire moments of near-death. The demon fox has done this numerous times in the past, ever since Jiraiya-sama threw the litle kid into the ravine. Most-anti-naruto-retards say that Naruto is again saved by PNJ, but I say that's bullshit. If the demon-fox takes over Naruto again, like what hapened in the Orochimaru-sama battle, Kakuzu, IMHO have no chance of winning, he might like through KN4, but if KN5 occurs, he's gonna be as dead as Saddam. Aka members are extremely proud of their abilities and justsu, but now Sasori is dead, Deidara lost an arm, Hidan is buried inside a hole, and Kakuzu is on the brink of extinction. IMHO, Kishi-sensei is doing a good job. Death to the PNJ crap!
pnj is just somehting people use as excuses to why their favorite char got their asses kicked... esp. kabuto sasuke fan fags.
So in 340, the senseis saved Naruto and everyone else, including Kakuzu from the Demon Fox. Kakashi and Yamato actually prevented the Kyuubi from opening the biggest can of whoop-ass ever.
i gotta agree naruto was never in trouble since he can always use a tail transformation if needed and when hes in deep shit he cant control the transformation
Did they? I don't remember this.
You can't remember anything that you don't know in the first place. If Kakashi and Yamato didn't save Naruto from Kakuzu's tentacles, what do you think will happen? Do you think Kakuzu, strong as he is, will be able to rip Naruto's heart and take it in as one of his own? It's more likely that Naruto will turn Kyuubi and...ahh you know what happens next...
I saw no indication that Naruto was going to be entering a tailed state. Hell by all appearances he looked like he usually does without the Kyuubi with the exception of his eyes. His whiskers weren't thicker, he didn't have the red chakra aura around him. Only his eyes were in Kyuubi mode which is the first time we have seen Naruto like that while using Kyuubi chakra as far as I can remember.
I don't see why anybody here thinks Naruto was going to go into a tail state right there.
That's because Naruto isn't going into the Tail stage yet. If he starts transforming already, then Kakashi and Yamato's actions will be too late. If they don't prevent the transformation, he'll turn Kyuubi, if they prevent the transformation, Naruto will get knocked out unconscious and they will lose one man in the battlefield, and if they loose Naruto, they will be severely handicapped..So the logical conclusion for Kakashi and Yamato is that they have to stop Naruto from getting into trouble and start transforming involuntarily.
Naruto would have had time to transform because Kakuzu isn't so stupid that he would actually kill a Jinchuuriki and its Biju. If it was anyone else, Naruto would have been the fruity topping to a Konoha siscabob.
i dont think hell turn into kyuubi this fight.
I don't think so too. His bridge is to supress/manage the Kyuubi in him and use his own power. Only that way Naruto can grow up.
arnt yall trying to prove a point? yes kakashi and yamato saved naruto's ass but isnt the point is even if they didnt naruto had a choice to go to kyuubi-state (even though ittl be pointless) cuz he wouldnt have supposedly quot;crossed the bridgequot; but its always the possibility that he could
wtf was all chakra element training for when his wind affinity can cut anything aka kakuzu's tenticles? i mean didnt he cut a leaf then a waterfall and isnt he supposidly be able to use this ability in battle now? yawn... what was i all for kishi? what? haha j/k probly just helped naruto before he could counter... who knows
Originally Posted by Jade SisterNaruto would have had time to transform because Kakuzu isn't so stupid that he would actually kill a Jinchuuriki and its Biju. If it was anyone else, Naruto would have been the fruity topping to a Konoha siscabob.
Did you see Kakuzu saying quot;I'll be taking your heart nowquot;? IMHO, the rush of battle caused him to forget that the jinky was not to be killed, but to be captured.
Originally Posted by jirochimaruSo in 340, the senseis saved Naruto and everyone else, including Kakuzu from the Demon Fox. Kakashi and Yamato actually prevented the Kyuubi from opening the biggest can of whoop-ass ever.
...you don't have a lick of substantiating proof to support this. The Kyuubi-was-about-take-over, at least. There was nothing that suggested Kyuubi was taking over. The pupils of the his eye isn't strong enough proof, and it is and can be easily attributed to the fact that Naruto, who's already tired, is using the abnormal chakra that Kyuubi provides it.
And you obviously skipped the subsequent chapters that followed the chapters with the Mini Kyuubi, or else you'd know how counter-productive and detrimental to Naruto's health it is.
It is clearly stated the demon fox seal is weakining and nothing can be done, in the end it will be either Naruto or Kyuubi, theres no place in that little human body for the both of them.
Naruto wouldnt be able to hold Kyuubi for long, cuse than:
A. Kyuubi and its charcther will be out of the manga, cuse there wont be need for them.
B. Even if naruto wont go hot blooded Kyuubi will still fight to be free!
Originally Posted by 9Tail-Hokage...you don't have a lick of substantiating proof to support this. The Kyuubi-was-about-take-over, at least. There was nothing that suggested Kyuubi was taking over. The pupils of the his eye isn't strong enough proof, and it is and can be easily attributed to the fact that Naruto, who's already tired, is using the abnormal chakra that Kyuubi provides it.
And you obviously skipped the subsequent chapters that followed the chapters with the Mini Kyuubi, or else you'd know how counter-productive and detrimental to Naruto's health it is.
If you read closely, there is no conflict between your post and mine. No, I read those chapters. That's one of the reasons the senseis prevent Naruto from going Kyuubi. Except that you, along with many others assume that Naruto is presently using not his own, but the 9tails chakra. For that matter, I cannot be too sure because the manga is still in black and white, so there's no way of telling if the chakra is red or blue. True enough, the fact that his eyes are Kyuubi does not support the conclusion that the kid is using Kyuubi chakra.
True enough, the fact that his eyes are Kyuubi does not support the conclusion that the kid is using Kyuubi chakra.
Yes... it does.
Naruto knows how to access the Kyubii chakra without losing control (Fighting Neiji, Summoning Gamabunta). He loses control when his emotions get the better of him. That's when the Yamato needs to inhibit the Kyubii's control over Naruto.
When Yamato is supressing the Kyubii chakra, he performs a specific jutsu. Currently, he is just standing there.
What you are saying is that, Yamato and kakashi prevented naruto from going Kyubii by saving his life (Taking him out of a dire situation). That could be possible.... whatever.
Originally Posted by jirochimaruIf you read closely, there is no conflict between your post and mine. No, I read those chapters. That's one of the reasons the senseis prevent Naruto from going Kyuubi. Except that you, along with many others assume that Naruto is presently using not his own, but the 9tails chakra. For that matter, I cannot be too sure because the manga is still in black and white, so there's no way of telling if the chakra is red or blue. True enough, the fact that his eyes are Kyuubi does not support the conclusion that the kid is using Kyuubi chakra.
He is using Kyuubi's chakra—if the eyes aren't too big a giveaway already. Naruto was already coming into the battle tired from his training—you know, the one where he summons thousands of clones and assigns them to a specific, chakra-taxing task—and his pupils aren't that of his own. It means he's reached the limit to his own chakra, and he's now dipping into something that no other shinobi has the luxury (which it can be a lot of times) of doing. Any other shinobi would've been past their limit a long time ago, but Naruto's not just any shinobi with any kind of normal reserve.
Anyway, here's my problem with the opening post's original assumptions. One, that Kakashi had something to do with Kyuubi not taking over. What kind of power does he have that'd suppressed Kyuubi? Two, how you would presume that Kyuubi was on the verge of busting loose at all, when there hasn't been much of anything to suggest that Naruto's having any problems internally. Three, Yamato's probably kept control of it since the start, and if that's the case, then it moots this sudden Kyuubi-was-about-to-take-over stuff. I don't agree with that theory.
Then you dip into other stuff, like about plot no jutsu. I agree that it's shit and should never be used, but the opening could've done without it really. Didn't really seem to connect coherently with the rest of what you were saying.
Anyway, here's my problem with the opening post's original assumptions. One, that Kakashi had something to do with Kyuubi not taking over. What kind of power does he have that'd suppressed Kyuubi?
He is saying that Saving Naruto from a dangerous situation stopped Naruto's quot;Fight of Flightquot; instincts from taking over. No fancy jutsu... just standard stituational logic.
All in all, it's sort of a rambling OP. |
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